Speaker 1 0:00
So I'm talking with another Catherine. Today my guest is Catherine McCoy, who is a naturopath, lives here in Canberra. And Catherine is passionate about supporting women who are exhausted, stressed and facing burnout. And I think already, we'll probably have some of our listeners picking up their ears and listening in. And Catherine really believes that we shouldn't have to compromise compromise on our health while we're working while we're playing. And while we're enjoying life. And Katherine's actually practising what she's preaching, because she's joining me today from beautiful Italy, and I'm really jealous. Katherine's packed up her office, and she's doing the ultimate in flexible working. And I'm just really excited to find out about how she's managing all that. And all the other magical things that make Catherine who she is so Welcome, Catherine, how are you?

Speaker 2 0:57
I'm really well and Bon giorno. Oh, boys, you're 101 Gianna Catherine. Oh, want to Sarah for you. Suddenly, I don't speak any Italian apart from those few phrases, but I'm learning on the road. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:16
Where are you calling in from?

Speaker 2 1:18
Currently, we're in a, a town called TREVIZO, which is about 30 kilometres northwest of Venice. And we actually caught the train into Venice yesterday just for a day trip, which was lovely. It's about a 30 minute train ride. So not very long to visit Oh, is they some people have actually called a Little Venice because there's some canals here. But it's it's built for the main city parties within a town wall in one of those old fortress walls, which is quite large area. And they've diverted part of the river system and built canals all through the city here. And yet it's absolutely beautiful. It's a little unknown spot. So it's not very touristy, which. And it's quite stylish. So it's very stylish, fashion wise, and it's got lovely cafes and restaurants and a very, really funky vibe to it. So yeah, we're enjoying us stay here.

Speaker 1 2:20
So how long have you been there for? So you're, you're from Canberra, you live in Canberra, it's my my town. So the capital of Australia is who are listening in from overseas. And you've picked up your office, and you're working out of Italy, but you're also travelling around. So we'll find out more of more about that. So how long have you been away for already?

Speaker 2 2:39
We've been away for 53 days, think today's the Canon 53 days. So we're just past the halfway mark. So

Speaker 1 2:50
Oh, so you're staying for a couple of you'll be there for a couple of months.

Speaker 2 2:53
Three months? Yes. So which is the longest we can stay? Because that's the length of the vases that you can get. So

Speaker 1 3:02
is that true? So if you didn't for Italy, or Europe, you

Speaker 2 3:08
know, no, it's a whole NAU group thing to stay for 90 days.

Speaker 1 3:14
So could you then hop out to somewhere else? And then

Unknown Speaker 3:20
you can pop out and come back in.

Unknown Speaker 3:24
Three months is good. Three months is good, isn't it? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 3:26
It's a really good time. Yeah. I'd like to say

Speaker 1 3:32
to me before because I want to explore all of that all the things that are logistics because I've got a number of girlfriends who have been sharing their dreams about living that sort of nomadic working lifestyle. So I'm going to go back and pick your brains about all of those things, but before I do, tell me about what stage of life you're at. So where are you kind of getting a sense of that already. But tell me a little bit about you before we dive into that in more detail.

Speaker 2 4:05
Sure. I was born in Canberra so did not know that. Yeah, it's my hometown. I grew up there and live the most of my life it's a very short stint away but move back quite quickly because I love Canberra. We all Yeah, yeah, I do. And yes, so now the stage of my life I met now obviously I'm just about to turn 65 So I'm at that that stage which is a beautiful stage of a woman's life I think it's where we begin to come back into our own self if not before then. Yeah, so we could start living life based on what we what we truly desire. I guess. I'm with my life partner now. He's name is Jeff. Yeah. And so we have three children each and Know their extended family. So it's quite a large family, like the Brady

Unknown Speaker 5:02
Bunch, you

Speaker 2 5:08
often laughed about that. And so when I met Jeff, he's retired. But I now joke and say his full time job is actually looking after me, which he does a beautiful, fabulous, you love it. So and he loved to travel and I love travel. So that's what we do. So my I had like a physical clinic in Canberra. But I once we sort of started to travel a fair bit, I close that down and move to the clinic to in our apartment where we live. And so when I am in Canberra, I consult from there. When I'm on the road, it's a Yeah, it has kind of morphed into this. It's taken me quite a number of years to make it work. I wouldn't say it's seamless, because I'm learning on the go all the time, but it's getting better as the years go by with how we do how we do business.

Speaker 1 6:06
Katherine, can I ask what so when you moved from the bricks and mortar clinic into your apartment? Was that before COVID? Was that before? Yeah, so you were sort of a little bit ahead of the game when, when that happened?

Speaker 2 6:20
Exactly. So yes, I actually had close my physical clinic and set up and I was trying to encourage my clients to do more zoom and online. They resisted. So lockdowns actually worked in my favour. Because people became a lot more comfortable and savvy about technology and doing, you know, telehealth consultations. And I think that's been one of the positives that we can look at out of lockdowns that it has been sort of made people more confident. But there's a lot more like online work, you know, ordering lots of different things online now. So yeah, so it did actually make it easier. For me,

Speaker 1 7:09
that was the same with my business to like I was I sort of had a hybrid approach. Like I'd been working from home for many years, but I would see clients in their premises, but I was also doing some online prior to COVID. So it just opened up a whole lot of opportunities. And I remember, I was able to help some of the women just to help with their their businesses, so they could get online and run that. So that was years ago. Doesn't

Unknown Speaker 7:34
I know, now it's, it's it's our

Speaker 1 7:37
normal. It's the normal, which is great. I mean, it's good. But it's yeah. Anyway, we'll talk about some of those. I want to just get back a little bit when you mentioned about the beautiful stage of life that you're at, I interviewed another guest whose episode came out last week, Joe, St. George has just turned 60. And she said the same she said it's a beautiful stage of life. It's almost like a very liberating stage of life. And it's not just I'm 57. So I'm sort of in that demographic as well. But I find a lot of women in our sort of age and demographic do feel that coming back to themselves, it's almost like they've got permission, which is, I don't know about you, but I try and help women not wait. But I think it kind of correlates with the number of birthdays we have as well. Sometimes

Speaker 2 8:28
it does. And yes, I do that a lot with my client work and, and trying to get women to actually reconnect with their creative side. That because that's one of the things I see, we let go of when we're in our reproductive nurturing in a family years, or, you know, working career building, building a high, you know, sort of nesting, I guess, and making a home and a creative side is one of the things that we let go. And because we say you can't do everything, and I think it's one of the things that we as women really miss, and it's important. And so creative creatively, you know, my thing is writing I love to write and whether that's just journaling yourself. I know I publish blogs and newsletters, etc, that I also just really love writing my journal. And so I just write stories in there, so nobody sees them. So you know, that's my creative pursuit. But other women, you know, they love to do that, you know, when I talk to them, it's like, what did you love to do when you're at school, you know, and it's, whether it's playing an instrument or painting or pottery or whatever it is. I try to encourage them to please step back into that space because that's important for us.

Speaker 1 9:56
And you know, what I find to some women aren't quite sure about out what that is either. So it's about trying some different things and just watching the sparks thing that pops into my mind. Oh my gosh, it's so many things flooding into my mind right now. I think I'm quite creative. But I channel my creativity in different ways. And I was wanting to learn mosaics, I was really drawn to mosaics. And I did one lot of that and I, excuse me, my French, my Italian, like, Fuck I hated, it was just not much. And I did one, we got all these tiles, and I got John to help me and I'm just like, not, that does not, I'm not a detailed creative person. And if I have to, if it takes too long, not my thing. So, but what you just shared there to Katherine is when we think about, you know, what did we enjoy as children. I loved make believe, and I love organising games, and I love like my girlfriends, and I, we were the Charlie's Angels. And I love that whole experience of things. And I love doing that now, like I love creating different events and experiences and organising and I would not have, I think that was something that I reflected on when somebody asked me that question about what did you enjoy? Art? I'm like, Oh, God, I don't know. Then that kind of just comes, you know, flicks forward. And that can be one of the journaling prompts, like you do a lot of journaling, but a journaling prompt about, you know, what do I enjoy? Or what did I enjoy? And where can I get my creativity? From?

Speaker 2 11:43
Yeah, so what a really powerful journaling prompt is just a simple phrase, I remember when, yeah. And that can that can unlock a lot of memories. So you know, you're you Your imagination is really powerful. So anything

Speaker 1 12:01
you're not it's really dangerous to doesn't, it doesn't get gets a life of its own.

Speaker 2 12:13
perfectly okay. Yes. So, sometimes, you know, with women, it could be dancing. Yeah. Yeah. And, or, you know, just just matter what, cooking? Yes, yeah, yes. Okay. You know, some women have a beautiful that, you know, creative streak when it comes to cooking. But that actually gets overtaken by life. Because, you know, you just got to get that food on the table every day. Yes, yeah. Little ones.

Speaker 1 12:45
Yeah. Do you hear people, your clients say that they've lost their mojo, or they've lost their love of life? That's what I hear a lot of my clients saying that I just, you know, there's something missing, and I'm not quite sure what it is. You know, Mojo is that zest for life. And it can be that creativity. To me that weaves into it, doesn't it?

Speaker 2 13:08
It does, and it's often that they're, they've lost connection with who they are, you know, it's, I think, with women, especially, and I know, I experienced this myself back in some of my darker days. It's like, you know, unreflecting, that, that, you know, we grow up. And especially in our day, it's a little bit different than generations now. But you know, we were expected to marry and have children. And I think you do lose your identity, your innate identity, it's like, well, who who was I was like back then, and who could have been if I hadn't gone down that pathway? Sometimes, you know, and I'm not saying that. When I talk about reflection, I don't never want reflection to turn into regret. But it's, you know, it's a really good way to reflect and go, Okay, so I can do that. Now. I can actually look back and go, whew, what would I have wanted to do when I was eight age. And I went, I chose a different pathway, because that's what's expected of me. Now, I can do that. Now. Yeah, I can travel.

Speaker 1 14:24
And maybe even it's about, you know, reflecting on what you might have liked to have done. And do I still want to do that. Now, given life circumstances, I think that is part of the journey is to say, well, what would I have done what I would have liked to have done? And is that something I want to do now? Or is it kind of morphed into something else? And it may, you know, it might be one or the other or both of those elements?

Speaker 2 14:49
Yes, exactly. And so one of our first trips we did when Jeff and I got together. I said I'd one of my dreams when I you know, back in the 70s when I was that school was I was going to leave school and go to London, you remember those days when everyone wanted to go to live in London, because they never did. And so we went to London, and it was that my name over London and I was sitting in the window seat and looking there, and I was so emotional,

Unknown Speaker 15:24
you know, I'm getting emotional, I just even

Speaker 2 15:27
just talking about this is like, you know, reliving my, my dream. And, you know, we spent a lovely week there. And I just while I was there, I pretended I was, you know, a teenager sort of landing in there. And we went to Soho when we went two years of all those Carnaby Street things. And this is, I was trying to imagine what it would have been like, if I'd actually fulfilled that, that dream back then. And then that was great. It was.

Speaker 1 15:59
That's beautiful. That just flicks into my mind. And it's kind of related, but not really, it wasn't a, it wasn't a dream of mine growing up. But we went through some financial, shitty period in life. And like it was really stressful. And I was just kind of syphoning off a little bit of money, a little bit of money for the family to go on an overseas trip, took me years to kind of, you know, for us to get back on track, financially, but I was just kind of syphoning this little bit of money off, and then we went to, we went on this trip, and it's funny that you're outside of Venice, and you went to Venice yesterday, but I remember when we were in Venice, and on the route of bridge, and I just went, Oh my God, I've actually been able, you know, through all this dark time and financial shittiness I was able to, to save and scrimp and it was just this powerful. I can even feel that now, like your London trip. About It was a sign of kind of dislike your Okay, God, that was just, and one of the things whenever I experienced those shitty times, or subsequent ones, I remembered that image of guy, it's okay, like you will get through it. Now, it's different to what you were saying about the dreams that you had. But it's yeah, kind of

Speaker 2 17:25
it's, it gives you it does us in realising that and you can draw on that power and know that you can do anything, you can create anything you want, within reason, obviously. And it is about how we look at different aspects of situations. You know, one of the, I'm certainly no Pollyanna, but I do try to draw on the positive aspects of things. Yeah,

Speaker 1 17:56
I think you and I are very similar and the approach that we take, and for the younger ones that are listening, I use that phrase quite a lot that I'm not a Pollyanna. I think I was using it with my daughter, and she said it was Pollyanna. That was the plan, the old and just everything was just rosy and unicorns, and everything. So tell me, how have you managed to pack up your life and live overseas for three months? What have you been able to do? To be there

Speaker 2 18:32
to make that happen? Yeah. So it's, it's been a work in progress, right, from the first time that we did it, you know, start small, go away for a week in Australia. See how it works. Running a clinic is difficult because I have the logistics of dispensary items. So in herbal medicine to dispense and so I have businesses in Australia now that are getting very, very good at that. So I can order anything to be delivered direct to my clients within you know, usually 24 hours, it's at their doorstep, where I have, you know, another business that I use that will mix up a herbal prescription for me and post that and deliver that to my client. So that that works quite well. I mean, there's always Australia Post involved. So

Speaker 1 19:26
family system Yeah. Sometimes Yep.

Speaker 2 19:30
Yeah. So you know, or Korea's, or who, you know, whatever the companies are using, you know, there's always that sort of logistical glitches, I guess that you need to navigate. And apart from that, it's my laptop was everything you know, is basically on there. Obviously, I don't have my lovely library of physical books at home, but most things are online now. So it does make it easy if I want to do research or look Next up, client base, and I have a client management system that I use a tick, you know, an online one moved away from paper files quite a few years ago. And everyone's online. So you know, that goes with me everywhere. So I have access to everybody's file. And I use Zoom and a booking system. And it just kind of works. There's a few glitches, but basically, it's

Speaker 1 20:30
the I'm just laughing, like glitches, I'm thinking about human error, a glitch I, for the very first time, I think, in my life missed a Zoom meeting today. And I was just so engrossed in the thing that I was doing that and I didn't get reminders popping up. And it was just like, Oh my God, that's the first one that I've ever ever missed. And so that was a human error.

Speaker 2 20:56
Yeah, that happens happens. Sometimes, clients can't get zoom to work there. And and you know, that there's different things, but in the scheme of things, we work, somehow they've done a consult, just emailing back and forth. You know, they couldn't get their resume to work. So you know, sort of like, just tapping away on the keyboard, and we got things done. So it's about being adaptable. To whatever is scented.

Speaker 1 21:27
Yeah. And you were kind of a head like, I'm envious of your client management system. Like you were sharing that with me. Yes, while ago and I was just like, Oh, my God, that is just such a good yours is a health practitioner one, but it was a really good system. And it's about embracing that, isn't it and being able to use technology to help and support? And it's like, using anything to help and support? Not just technology, but getting help and support where you can?

Speaker 2 21:54
Yes, yeah. And embracing the technology, which you know, my age is, doesn't come naturally, I think the next gen the last generation were born with some sort of innate technology Chip, I think they just don't have to. So it's about embracing it and learning it and asking for help. Or reaching out and you know, I have a VA now who can help with different technology things. And so, you know, outsourcing things like that is really helpful to me. Yeah. So managing online work is is easy, but you start at home and build on it from there. timezone differences is another logistics that we have to manage. But Jeff does a great job with working out there was I think there's three different Daylight Saving Time zone changes while we're away this time. So that's constantly shifting

Speaker 1 22:53
Europe to Australia, and most of your clients in Australia or not, or do you have? Yes, no,

Unknown Speaker 22:58
they're all in Australia. Yes.

Speaker 1 23:00
Yeah. Because I think the Europe to Australia is, I mean, it's not too bad at the moment. I'm recording 5pm My time, which is 9am your time, I think?

Unknown Speaker 23:11
Yes, yes, it's about eight hours. Yeah, that's

Speaker 1 23:13
not too bad. I know some credit. America time. Yeah, it's just one of the things that you kind of get used to. Yeah,

Speaker 2 23:23
yes. And so I just have, I just went through my diary and blocked out, you know, this is when I can consult, obviously, um, when I was at home leading up to coming away, I was working nearly seven days a week and really long hours every day, which is not sustainable when you travel, because there's no point coming to Italy from standing. So you know, sort of blocking out and being a little bit ruthless and going well, no, I am only available for like, easily time is 8am till 11am on, you know, three days a week or something. It's just a just managing that. Because it's as you know, when you're running a business is a lot of behind the scenes admin or you know, file management things that you have to either take up time as well. So, so just managing that well in still sort of balancing that work life.

Speaker 1 24:19
Yeah. So with the logistics, get all of that how do you do it mentally? Because when I'm on holidays, like I can imagine in Italy, I would not want to be seeing my, my clients, but how are you managing that? That sort of local, working kind of stuff? What's that? Like?

Speaker 2 24:38
It's Yes, some days it's easier than others. I try to limit my work days to three days a week and in my mind, I'm like, Well, I guess we you know, or days to be, you know, sort of live the local life. So when we travel we, we try to blend in with where we are. So you We're going to the markets we're cooking, we're sort of doing local things. And so that helps to have that mindset that I'm just actually living here. Not visually, I'm not a tourist, because it's different when we when we do travel to big cities. It's different because yeah, there's more to do and what are saying, when we're in a big city, we mainly stay in a hotel. So that when, when we're in the country areas, we always have Airbnb. So we have a kitchen, laundry, it's just like transparency by Yeah. And so that makes it a little bit easier. Sometimes I do struggle with thinking, because it's hard to switch off after you've been consulting. And I've said, Yes, I'm using this, and I'm going to do this. And I know, I take a lot of care with every single client that I do support. So you know, Jeff, sometimes the history might be here, like you're not here, when we were walking around looking at something, you know, because my mind is like, I forgot to do the sort of up to that. So I think being more addicted can compartmentalise is helpful, but that's a work in progress. And I'm only human.

Speaker 1 26:23
Yeah, I'm like that I've just had a quick little break away with the family. And I'm like you, I find it a bit hard to switch off, especially after clients that with the breakaway, I just went, you know what, I'm not even taking any of my work with me, and I just switched off. And it was a holiday. And it was the most, I felt like I was away for six weeks after those four days because I was really switched off. So yes about and what I'm hearing from you, Catherine is that you're saying, you've set the intention that you're working while you're away, this isn't just a three month holiday, it's also an opportunity for you to, you know, maintain the work with your clients. So it's about getting into that mindset, and then putting the boundaries in place, about the days and times you're going to work and, you know, being mindful of when it's kind of trickling over to

Speaker 2 27:15
which it does because differences and people's lifestyles in their liking in Australia, they you know, they're busy, they're trying to manage things. So, you know, sometimes I will slot someone in on a Saturday afternoon here, you know, Saturday morning, is it? Because I can it's not a big deal to set aside an hour to help somebody that needs it, because they can't fit into my lifestyle. Yeah, there's an adaptability there that needs to cross over. I think it's it's not all about me.

Unknown Speaker 27:51
No, that's a good regardless of where we're at.

Speaker 2 27:58
You know, it's not so you know, I never I never made that a non negotiable boundary. It's like, yeah, I can appreciate it. So it's not a problem.

Speaker 1 28:10
Like that, too. I'm very much like that. It's like travelling with in working travelling with partner who's retired. Is that, like you said, his job is to look after you. So I challenge around that and there any challenges around that?

Speaker 2 28:27
I think we we've, over the years, we've worked that into quite a good rhythm. Even at home, Jeff does most of the cooking you know I can cook quite well as well. But he he loves it. So I'll step aside I'll just okay. And so with travelling, he's a he's a duck because he does all the bookings he does all the travel management is driving the car you know, my daughter keeps sort of texting him he had a drive in the car yet I'm a passenger princess I can sit there because it's all I do is I get in the car and I remind Jeff keep right look left because it's the opposite. So and we have you know, I help navigate but it's like well, I do my work and he knows that and then we go out and we do other really cool stuff.

Speaker 1 29:23
Yeah, it sounds like a really good a good team like the dream team for being able to pick up here your business and go on the road and experience their yes life experience like what would be some like we've talked through some good tips but just other women who were thinking of that and know whether nomadic lifestyle is the right word, but you know, working from different places, anything would be useful tips.

Speaker 2 29:58
I think You have to have a bit, there needs to be a certain amount of relaxation involved, and adaptability. And there was one incident when we're in Tuscany a few weeks ago there in this beautiful village called Panzano. And right on top of the Tuscan hill overlooking, and there was we were in a villa, and it had a lovely backyard. And I had actually I was done something and I was quite tired. So because I love to when I'm, when I'm feeling a little bit stressed and overwhelmed, I like to grab a novel. And I lose myself in a in a novel, that's how I kind of just stopped my mind from going down too many rabbit holes. And so because we can't carry books, you know, I had the borrowbox, you know, the library system. So it was in so when I was lying on the bed, and I was reading on my computer, and then we went out somewhere. And I remember I just put my laptop, you know, lifted on the bed, but of course, got covered up with a piece of clothing or something. And when we came home, I couldn't find my laptop. And I was convinced somebody had broken into these. So you can imagine why my mind it was like, what? Yeah, I was like, What am I gonna do? That's my life. Anyway, I eventually found it, and it was so good. But there that the anxiety level with that and better all the time, I was thinking, What can I do? If it if I do lose my laptop? Or it breaks? Or you know, it's, I mean, in reality, it's not the end of the world. But life goes on without me being having a laptop. So it's like, Well, okay, well, what would I have to do? I'd have to go up by one and try to set one up and, and fix it that way. But so those those sort of little glitches can be challenging with? And I think so having that adaptability and be not so I guess, Richard, in what is happening around you. Sometimes it's like, Whoa, I just can't do that. So I'm being okay with that. But at the same time having a client base that is really understanding or my clients very lovely, you know, send them the odd photo in newsletters, and like, it's a lot of feedback. So it's, it's a, I guess, a two way street. But I would encourage anyone who wants to do this, to think about how to do it and start small.

Speaker 1 32:40
Yeah, I think that's just start. And, and for me, it's also about if you have an inkling and it might not be, you know, people's Inkling might not be the travel and picking up it might be something else that they want to do. Yes. And it's about listen to what that Inkling is. And you know, how could you make that happen? Not what do I have to do to make it happen? But how could I make that happen? What would I love to happen? And what could I do? And it's about the flexibility, like you said, and what can you can control. And that's not even just, you know, taking a business on the road that's just about life. And when you were talking about helping women who were you know, exhausted stressed that out, there are good tips for women, generally, so not even just the business stuff. But you know, Catherine, you're a naturopath, you you see a lot of women, do you just work with women? Or do you work with men as well?

Speaker 2 33:34
I'm good there have male clients contact us. Often women's husbands have to fix my husband. Interested to help him? So yes, I do have probably predominantly would be about 90% Women sent men, you know, come through my bookings. And so yeah, I certainly don't turn men away if they come to consult with me.

Speaker 1 34:02
And we get to what are the key things and I'm just asking for a friend here about burnout stress, overwhelm. What do you what do you see your clients? What do they sort of present with in their burnout world?

Speaker 2 34:17
Well, fatigue is a major is the major one. So that's usually what brings women in to seek out the help because allopathic Lee in the medical world, it's not addressed in a sort of in a very holistic way they do JPS do a fabulous job. So you know, most women are fatigued and there's hormones involved, because different life stages have different hormonal drives and so we need to address that whatever life stage somebody is that sleep is important. And I am doing a lot of work with the KTM Rhythm regulation and resetting circadian rhythms, which is actually far more involved than I originally thought when I before I started going that down that rabbit hole of research, you know, digestion has its own rhythm, you know, every organ in its inner body has its own different rhythm. And it's not just your sleep wake cycle, there's sort of a lot of moving parts inside us that need to not always line up, but we need to be aware of and that can help be helpful. And so just says, when somebody comes to see me, it's, I'm looking for the driver. Yeah. What what is really driving this, the ill health here, you know, what is keeping somebody from not getting better? And so sometimes that is some simple lifestyle adjustments. It's yeah, I like to work with these people. And keep it really simple.

Speaker 1 36:02
Oh, my gosh, we're just soul sisters, like we do the same, but not in the, the health but looking at, I mean, it is health, but it's the well being and, you know, what are the patterns and what is the root cause, because office, what is presenting is a symptom of something. So you do that through your modalities of helping people to, you know, with their health and wellness, and overall,

Speaker 2 36:29
it sometimes it can be, it can be the, you know, attitude it can be, I'm a I love habits, I'm a big habit, stand on my soapbox about habits about setting up really good habits. And so that's really helpful for us. So it's looking at those those really simple changes about even thought processes can can keep somebody in an ill health picture. So you're my main mantra that I use for myself. And also, I've tried to get my clients to do is small, consistent steps that all I ever want anybody to do, they can't change the world, or you can't change your health. In one day, yeah. But you can build on that by doing very, very tiny, small consistent steps based on the level of overwhelm and the level of health that was somebody's that even if it's five minutes, it's just it doesn't really matter. Because what you build on today will always look different, you know, in the east, Kent, so just bringing the focus back to that is where I love to work with people. Yeah, same and take the supplements, if I if I prescribe them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 37:53
That's where I'm at to is taking deliberate action. Because I hear a lot of people going, I've tried all this, and I've done this, and I've done that, and it hasn't worked, and it hasn't worked. And it's like when you dive down, there's often something that, you know, a story that that they're telling themselves, but there's a lot of people that don't take that consistent action. And that and when I talk about the deliberate action, it's about, you know, if we consciously think about those steps, those little steps, then they become the automatic habits, but they don't become automatic habits. straightaway. We have to know something. And it's just the little nurse. And sometimes people underestimate how powerful those how powerful simplicity can be that they think I've got to do this really big life overhaul doesn't know, I don't know, you don't know,

Speaker 2 38:47
start with, like, if you want to change your eating habits, you start with one meal, one meal, and you get your breakfast, right. Yeah. And then see what happens. Yeah, yeah, it's about building that. And because we live in a society of this word, instant gratification, people want change today. And, you know, that's what we've been, we've kind of evolved in a very, very short amount of time to want that because of technology. It's like no instant No, give me a pill. Just make it so I can keep going on and living the life that I'm doing now. But I don't have all these symptoms. Well, it doesn't actually work like that. It's, it's going back to the base thing, just doing small consistent steps and going or just change this or change that and, and it's like that, well, how long does it take to build a habit? Well, you know, there's all the 21 days is 28 days is 66 days is that well, the lifetime because when you stop doing it, it's no longer a habit and So having a habit tracker is really helpful. You know, I, it doesn't have to be complicated, like, I'll show you my self drawn habit tracker here. It's just looks something like, like that, you know,

Unknown Speaker 40:17
little ticks,

Speaker 2 40:18
little squares that I drew on the page. And if you colour it in, so that's sort of connects with my creative side as well. So you know, you can do little things like that. Because by tracking it, it helps your brain to, to actually remember.

Speaker 1 40:36
Yeah, yeah. That's good. I think I'm not a habit tracker. I'm a habit. Creator, it almost gets back to that mosaic stuff. For me. It's, it's, it's, I do it. But I don't take it off. I'm not. Yeah. I equate it to like, hygiene. If we want to eat clean, we shower every day, or a couple of times a day, habit that like that we need to keep doing and that's where the consistent. And the small consistent steps are so important, because I have a lot of people I come into contact with, it's like, yeah, I did that once tic, I've done tic, but it didn't work. It's no shit. With it, keep with it, and what works for each person. So what works for Catherine a night might be different for other people, but it's about the consistency. It's about the simplicity. And the small steps that do something that is that feels good for each person is my that's where I kind of work with people is what feels good for you don't do what feels good for me. But you might get some insights. And that's why I love the podcasts so much where there's just different women talking about how they do life. There are some consistent themes. There's some very different themes that not everything relates resonates with everybody. And that's the beauty of life. I think that is

Unknown Speaker 42:08
I know, because we are all different. We're all the same.

Unknown Speaker 42:13
Oh my god, that would, yes, that would not be good.

Speaker 2 42:17
As long as Yeah. So though, that we're all. I just can't imagine if everyone was the same. And that's one of the things that that enriches our experience when we travel is meeting the different people and I love to talk to people and engage in them and ask, you know, what is it like to be in Italian and to live in Italy? And it was fun, funny story in Rome. Whoo. There we were walking around. And we came to a very small Piazza with hardly anyone in there in the corner was this law is Oh, guidance has been with him well in his 70s, nearly 80 And he was sitting there and he had a table of jewellery. And he'd seen behind it and he was making this jewellery, you know, he couldn't speak a word of English. And I couldn't speak a word of Italian apart from Bon giorno. And but he had a sign there. And he was it was about recycling metal. So he was going around, looking for little bits of plates and all sorts of different manners, making earrings and necklaces and things like that. And because I did buy some earrings off him, but he was really gorgeous. He was just so happy that he still thinks my name is Australia. Oh.

Unknown Speaker 43:33
Miss Australia.

Speaker 2 43:36
It was really trying to have this conversation. So funny. So yeah, and he was doing something really simple. He was just sitting there and create being creative. Making this is really recycled. Jewellery. Yeah.

Speaker 1 43:55
Catherine, these podcast chats go too fast.

Unknown Speaker 43:59
Oh, my goodness, isn't?

Speaker 1 44:01
It sure is where can where can our listeners would like we've got your details in the show notes. Where can they find you? What's your business called?

Speaker 2 44:08
My clinic is called I naturally. So I nit ura WL y.com.au. And yes, you will have the link there or the

Unknown Speaker 44:17
socials yet?

Speaker 2 44:19
Yes. And anyone who'd like to connect, please do.

Speaker 1 44:24
Yeah. And you can share and or Catherine's Working Holiday kind of lifestyle tips. And so thank you very much. Thank you gorgeous that was being here to hearing more about it when you're back in Canberra. And yeah, thank you to all of our beautiful listeners if you want to. If anybody wants more tips about just living life, feel free to jump on to the happiness hive, website happiness hyphen hive, where you can get regular tips I share tips with you just about living a fabulous life. So thank you all Isn't happiness bye bye

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