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Hi, welcome to the happiness hive Podcast. I'm Catherine Bowyer, and I am completely fascinated by people and what motivates them. I've spent the past three and a half decades specialising in mindset and human behaviour. And I've helped 1000s of people to create happy and amazing lives. And now I am super excited to be chatting with women from around the world who I have secret. And to be honest, not so secret crushes on their women who inspire me. I'm intrigued as to how they do life and what makes them tick. I want to find out the magic formula that makes them who they are. And at the end of the episode, I'd love for you to say, I'd like a little bit of what she's having. The conversations are real and raw. They're full of passion, inspiration and lots of fun, and nothing is off limits. So grab yourself a cuppa or Papa New Trekkie and go for a walk and join us for today's chat. There may just be that pool of wisdom you need to hear. So let's shimmy on over and get started. I am so looking forward to today's podcast with Kaitlyn parks. I met Kaitlyn. Like all my guests, it seems like it's forever ago, but I think we've just worked out that it's maybe two and a half years ago. And I met Kaitlyn through one of the corporate programmes that I work on. And Kaitlyn manages that programme. So basically, she's my boss. Again, right, and she thought she was getting paid for today. But this has to be purely a like it's not a paid partnership. Sorry, Kaitlyn.

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realised I was volunteering my time.

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Yes, you are. You are I'm sure that was in our contract in our in our clause. But Kaitlyn is an up and coming superstar. Her career is on fire. And I just want to know all about Kaitlyn and what's kind of led her to being where she is in her career. But also about Kaitlyn generally, she's just purchased her new her first property with her sister. So she's coming into a very exciting and expensive time I would say Kaitlyn is super fun to be around. I just love being in her energy. I've got a special spot in my heart for Kaitlyn. There's a little bit of a glimmer when I hang out with her that she reminds me of a kind of a newer and improved version is me. So welcome. Welcome. Welcome, Kaitlyn. How are you?

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Thank you. I'm good. How are you doing?

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I'm so good. I'm so good. And I'm really looking forward to this chat. Like we have lots of chats. But this is one where I've got you focused. And

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physician, I love

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having the spotlight on you. And Kaitlyn, I would love to just chat with you about how you do life, but also about your career because you are a little bit younger than I am. You've had maybe

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half by a couple of years.

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Maybe you've had more. Yes. Anyway, we'll leave. We'll leave that. Let's just put it this way Kaitlyn's born, I think a day after my son. So the age yet the age differences a little bit a little bit. But anyway, anyway, anyway. So Kaitlyn, tell us a little bit about you. What are some of the things you know, on your journey of life that brought you to where you are? What's the key events in your life?

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That is a very great question that I'm sure I will absolutely unpack over the next half. hour, I think really to me, I almost have two personas. There's work me. Yeah. And then there's Kaitlyn. Me, I suppose. But they tend to merge because I'm a very well, I like to hope that I'm a very genuine individual. There's those lines blurred, but I guess workwise I am very fortunate enough to be in a job and in a career that I absolutely adore. And I know I'm very, I don't like using the term lucky because I like to think that I've done this or you know, I've exposed myself to opportunities. But I know I am very fortunate to have almost accidentally fallen into a career that I love. And so that certainly helped. And I guess that is

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how did that happen? Because I love hearing that I'm that's almost you know how I said that. I see a bit of me in you. I fell into my career, like 100 years ago, and I absolutely love it as well. So how did that happen for you?

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Really, it came through like when I finished u 12. I had no idea what I wanted to do, but I did know I absolutely did not want to study at university. Yeah. And I was a very passionate year 12 student without much I was said that ID. So I actually went through a corporate programme myself that targeted 18 year olds Yeah, so I went through that, and so happened to fall into a role within human resources today, and that was six years ago. So I started I mean, a government. And I started as an APS one, which is the lowest on the food chain that you can

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entry level entry level.

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Yeah, yeah, entry level stuff. But you know, and I've kind of just worked my way from there. I started off in human resources, I did about 12 months there and then moved into a data role. And that was hilarious, because I was terrible at math. I hated Excel spreadsheets. I mean, those were basically the three things I had to do for my pain. Okay, yeah. So I was able to navigate my way through that. And I actually turned around and really loved that as well. I really liked that I kind of absolutely knew nothing about it. Because as much as I really like human resources, or HR, as I call it, my mum also works in HR. And she's a senior leader in that field as well. So I really liked that the data or kind of gave me outside viewpoints, I suppose, you know, I grew up with HR. Yeah, yeah. So that data roll was something where I could really almost find my own way, I suppose. But eventually, I got to the point where I didn't feel like I was learning anything. And that was something that was really important to me morally. So I decided to go back into HR. And that's where I've been ever since. And so I've done quite a few roles and have climbed the corporate ladder. So yeah, which I'm very proud of. But now I'm a I'm a leader. I suppose I'm you,

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are you? Absolutely. And that's when when we got to get the like I've seen in the couple of years that I've known you that your career has progressed. there as well. You're studying at uni now? Yeah. I'm about because you said you categorically didn't want to study at uni.

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Yeah, I was still very, that only came about recently, about a year and a half ago, I started studying, I was adamant that I was only going to go back to uni if I wanted to. And I got to the point where I thought it would be really helpful to go back to uni, I kind of I knew that I wanted to work in HR for my career. So I kind of linked back to there. But the other thing is I'm also some doing HR and psychology. And psychology part of this degrees is really the reason why I decided to go because it's something that I kind of hold close to my chest. Yeah, I'm very passionate about it. So I figured I'd do that degree because I could a do something that kind of helps my career a little bit. That also I can do it on my terms. Yeah.

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I really liked that Kaitlyn, that it's about the study has meaning to it that you can what what you said there is that you want to make your career in HR, and that the studies actually helping you to do that. It's not studying for the purpose of studying. And I can now see why you're psychoanalysing me when I come into the building with your psychology.

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My one unit I've done so.

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Yes, yeah. But for me, that's a whole foundation of just why people do what they do and working in HR particularly. So human resources. That's a really, I think that's a really important skill, I think knowledge and to be able to embody that. And I'm not sure whether off the top of your head, but what are some of the things because you have progressed, you're how old are you? 2424? Yeah, I'm turning 25 In a couple of weeks. But yeah, so 24. And your goal was to get to this leadership role that you're in by your 25th birthday. Yep. So you've met that goal? Maybe 12 months? Yeah. Yeah. So you're 12 month ahead of schedule overachiever?

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I'll be honest, it that very much came from I'm a very stubborn individual. And so I actually had a close family friend who did get to this level by 25 years. And really, I just wanted to be on par with her. Okay. I wish you a really inspirational story about why I was motivated to lead a team. I'm very competitive.

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And you know what, I do see that I see that you're driven, I would say driven, maybe maybe competitive. But I absolutely say you're being very driven, but also very, like you're you're not whimsical about it. You're actually very dedicated to the work that you're doing. And you do take it very seriously, even though there are times that when we're having a bit of a joke and a laugh, it doesn't feel like that, but I know that you take your job very, very seriously what you're doing.

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Yeah, and I think as well I'm in I'm in a role where I'm managing Fulbright programmes and there's a little part of me that looks out for the me from six years ago, I very much feel like I've come full circle. And that I think pulls into my dedication to work and my drive to do a good job and, you know, aspects like that. So it it's funny because I, you know, kind of how I mentioned about how there's two personas, I pour a lot of me into my job, yes, which can be a good thing in terms of I feel like I am seen as driven. But I guess on the flip side of that is, I also take things very personally, when they happen in the workforce. So what? No, no, I think, you know, I do tend to take things personally, but I just think, Caroline, and work is also where I kind of feel most of my, you know, my self esteem or enjoyment in life as well. So sometimes those two are very interconnected with hard to separate when things go wrong, especially.

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Yeah, I'm just ignore the phone. I ignore that phone. Because I'm recording. Yes, that I'm like you too, about taking things personally, sometimes overly sensitive about things. But the underneath bit for me is because I care so much as well. I'm just going to want rewind a little bit that when you talked about your managing corporate programmes for the listeners that maybe aren't familiar with government land, you came in when you talked about coming into a programme targeted when you started your career for young school leavers. That's a corporate programme. And you're actually managing those corporate programmes. There's a whole range of them that you manage, and one of them is for school labourers. So it's nice to be able to, I guess, be able to empathise with the school kids that are coming in, and I can 100%. So you're doing that with them and that extra bit of love that you give them and sort of take them under your wings, which is awesome, which is really cool. Yeah,

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I try. I also find it really hard each year, when they start, I think God was I that little six years ago. And so on. I still remember the first outfit I wore on that day. And now I look back and I'm like, Oh, you're so embarrassing.

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What was it? What did you it was

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just a black shirt with a black skirt. Sorry, with a watch. But it was very like my mom tried to I still haven't figured out a style guide on what to wear. Like, I didn't know what to do with my hair.

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You know what, that's all the stuff that I think we we tend to forget about those things. And it's really lovely that you're maybe closer in age to people that you're looking after on those programmes because maybe a little bit more relatable, some of the oldies. Can I ask you, Kaitlyn, have you had to manage anybody that's older than you? Yes,

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I've had to do that a few times. I think I'm only now managing to people that are younger than me, right? But I've actually managed someone in the last few years, who ended up retiring washers in my team so much older than me. Yeah, sorry to them. And then a few people like who, you know, not not so much older than me that it's like substantial Bible for years. And I remember I've had a lot of comments about my position and my age, and one of them is quite often well, you've got to think about what it's gonna be like when you're managing someone older than you. And it's just never been a thing for me. And I know that sounds really bizarre, but I just think what I've learned, and this is kind of something that I personally believe in is that age can be such a box that you can. And I've felt that coming up, you know, it throughout my career, and I'm still getting that to these days, like, you know, in the last month, I've had someone comment on my age. So really, yeah. And it's just something that I'm always tackling. I've learned how to tackle it kind of head on, which is something that I find that I'm only got out if I have to go through things. Yes, yeah. Yeah. But I think for me, I try not to let it affect the way I do things. Because I think that it just, it puts someone in a box and you don't want to assume, yeah, I don't want to assume what someone's like or what they're capable of or what their motivation is to work based on how long they've been here. So,

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Kaitlyn, I love hearing that because I do a lot of work with women and women of all ages. And there are some young women who find that really challenging. And I think that's more about their view of themselves that don't feel confident in themselves. And I love hearing that you bring yourself to that leadership role and it's not about you don't see that as they're just people. They're just people.

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Yep, Definitely, I think it's, it's really hard not to get very sentimental in this kind of segue. But I went through my sister was diagnosed with cancer when I was 15. And she's, she's good now like, she's cancer free, which is really great. But that was seven or eight years ago or when I've, whenever it was an it has really shaped me as an individual. So by the time I started in the workforce, I'd gone through about two and a half years of my sister having a very serious illness. And I found that even from day one, people look at you, and you're 18, which don't get me wrong. Sometimes I look at these kids now. And I'm like, wow, I was that little. Yeah. But I found it really challenging because people put me in a box, I was 18. You know, I worked with a lot of people where I was their sons, or daughters, or, you know, they're kind of age that I had gone through something that most adults never go through in their entire life. And so that was something that I very much learned very quickly is like I didn't like, I didn't like that. So I made a commitment to be like, if I ever had to manage someone, I would never make them feel like that. Or I would do my best not to

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Kaitlyn, that's beautiful that from your lived experience, you've been able to bring that into your work life. And when you were saying that there's the two personas. So we've heard about the work, Kaitlyn, and there's some really cool things there. Tell us about the non work, Kaitlyn. So what was that like? So your sister? Is she younger than you?

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Yeah, so three years younger. So my poor sister, she was 12 when she was diagnosed, she is an incredible human being. And if I ever said that to her, she would be like a

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witch, as little ladies to her will play it to her.

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No, no, she's incredible. But I think, you know, looking back was tricky, you know, like, our life was literally turned upside down on a Friday night. And I remember being at work. And at the time, I was working at a fast food restaurant chain. So very excited stuff. I used to think I ran that place, too.

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I could imagine, imagine that you did run that place.

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But I remember my manager coming to me and telling me that was a family emergency even that I like pressured him to tell me what was going on, even though I was like, eight years old, because they had no idea what so sorry, but no, I think you know, I learned a lot. You know, I I'm very open with how I talk about it, because people don't expect to hear it in detail, I suppose. But I I'm just very honest, so to speak. So kind of what that was like for me is you know, I was in Year 10 When my sister first got sick, which is you know, everyone hypes it up in terms of being like, it's the final years of school, you're growing into an adult. And I had no idea what to do with myself and my sister was getting treatment regularly. And I was, you know, commuting between Canberra and Sydney still working my casual job because of a nightmare. And just trying to figure out what my life looked like, you know, everyone my age, you know, they were getting ready for college. They were working, they have social lives and everything like that. And I spent my weekend to hospital wards. And then equally when I was in Year 11, we ended up my sister relapsed, which means that her cancer came back. And she had leukaemia, so the type of leukaemia that she had, when you relapse, the odds of living are phenomenally lower than when you're diagnosed. So my parents made the decision to move my little brother and I up to Sydney. And it's funny because I forget how young my brother was, but he was six, six years old, he started kindergarten that year in

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Sydney, started in Canberra, then moved to Sydney.

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Yeah, yes. And we both did. So like, I think as well, it was just a huge reset in every aspect of our life. But I am very grateful. Not that my sister got sick. I think it's very much made me who I am today. And I think that that determination that I had to see through the other side of my sister's illness is very much bled into my work persona, so

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to speak, as well. And I find that that can be a good thing, but also a bad thing, but it's definitely shaped who I am as an individual. And I would probably say that there's that it's helped to shape you, but you probably had that strength and resilience that was strengthened through that experience as well. You know, that little bit of was it there before it happened from the event? You know, I think it's a bit of both but it certainly sounds like there is a lot of strength there in in you and your family, like, and a lot of that lot. And I know your family is very, very tight. It's a really tight unit and that probably, you know, an experience where you have a child or sibling who is faced with a life threatening illness that that really I could imagine, puts into perspective, what's important in life? Yeah, definitely.

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I mean, I think really, like, I only feel like I've almost come back on track in terms of my life, I suppose. Yeah. Because naturally, I grew up very quickly, you know, the, my sister relapsed, I was basically the primary care for my brother, because my mom was in hospital all the time. And my dad didn't cope as well. And so you know, by the time I came back to Canberra, and my sister was recovering, I was, you know, in Utah by that point, and I didn't care about anyone my age, I didn't care about school, like I didn't go to formal, I didn't go to the graduation. None of that stuff mattered to me. And though I don't regret the choices that I made, I know it very much separated me from my cohort. Yes, but so I've always felt a little bit older. Yeah, but I am, I suppose, in a good way.

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Yeah, absolutely. And I, I can see that the experience has led to all of those things that because it really is what's important. So the family and being there with your, you know, a support for your family and your sister, that all those things that, you know, had that not happened, you know, that might have been a different importance for you. So it really puts things into perspective, doesn't it?

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Yeah, definitely. And I remember, you know, as you mentioned earlier, my family are very, very close. And I think we've always been close, but we've definitely kind of soldiered on through years kind of trauma as a unit. But it's been hard, I suppose, you know, I had a few years where I didn't talk to my brother, we didn't get along. It was like, we'd spent too much time together, and then we get away from me. And so I've had to rebuild that relationship, you know, but on the other hand, my mom was such a support network for me during that time that I want to do anything that I tend to make sure I could repay her, even though she says things like, uneven, that's my job, kind of thing. Or I think she doesn't see the impact of aid. I remember what there was one day where she broke me out of school just so he could go shopping at a Westfield. Cool. And you know, and I always bring that up to her because it was just like, I was having a shocking day. And it was something I didn't know I needed. And she's like, Yep, I'm your mom kind of being interested, she doesn't see the impact. So I think that's the other thing I've taken away from, I want to be that for someone else, whether it's my family, or at work. Like I think I've I'm very grateful for the network that I had in those times. So I always hope I'm someone that can pay that back as well.

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Kaitlyn, I love that so much that I hope my kids are listening. And you know what, as moms we do do those things to that that is our job. But I think the the your mum that that's beautiful, for her to know the impact that she's had, and how appreciative you are of her, which is beautiful. And I love Kaitlyn I love hearing. And it's almost like when you were talking about your first job. And in talking about the experience of your sister's illness and you it's just about wanting to give back like I can just see. And I know this because we hang out a lot, but just that real heart centred person that you are, and that, that kindness and real being of service for others, through your experience, knowing what it was like having somebody there, or having a range of people there for you is just, you know what I see because I do a lot of work in that leadership space. And some people just do it for a job because they get a paycheck at the end of the day. And they have what I call golden handcuffs. They're, you know, they're getting paid really good money. But they feel that they're, they're handcuffed to a job that they don't love. And what I've heard is that you love your job. You're it's a real being of service to others. And it's I'm not sure if I'm correct in saying this, but there's that passion that you have there. Yeah, yeah,

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definitely. Definitely. And I think that's your perhaps it's something I've learned on the way I don't want to waste my time so to speak, being trapped In a situation like that, yeah. And you know, the other thing that I think about my job is, you know, it also enables me to do things with my family, as well. So, I know you mentioned in the intro, but um, my sister and I just bought a house. That's exciting. It is my so we're so happy. And I know that my job enables us to do that, but also my sister equally contributed as well. And so it was a cool moment for us to, you know, we were two different people who have had, you know, different, you know, life experiences, even though we're in a unit, but we will equally contribute to this huge goal, so to speak. And so that's been really good as well.

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Because that I could imagine for some people living with siblings could not be it might not end very well. But it sounds like that. That's a good arrangement.

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Yeah. I think, you know, when we're quite close, I think, you know, my favourite story, and we laugh about it now, but I was mortified for years. But the week before my sister was diagnosed, we had this massive fight. I have no idea what to say. But I remember being like, I'm gonna divorce you. And then the next weekend she went got cancer. So essentially, on that one, but you know, I think after that, we've just kind of realised that literally, nothing can stop us. Yes, but equally, you know, our schedules, I think only see you're on the weekends, because she's a chef. So she well, okay, yeah, till really late at night. So there's absolutely no time for us to pick up.

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That's a good arrangement, isn't it? Does she cook for you or not? She's probably tired of doing that. By the time she gets home

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cooks for me on the weekends. On the weekends, she made me a slow cooked pork. And that was a good moment for me where I felt like I'd made it

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that's my kind of cookie cutter kind of cooking anything slow cooker that doesn't need very much preparation, and it's got very clear instructions is my face. I missed out on that. I missed out on that domestic. Jane growing up. I did not get that.

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She got that. I feel like I um, I can say I got the drive. Like those listening. I'm rolling my eyes.

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We both got the beauty gene.

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Yeah, exactly. I couldn't have it all.

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Tell me what fills your cup? What makes you happy and light up?

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People? I've got a very complicated answer, actually. Because I do say people so yeah, my network. Friends Family. Yeah. Work. Yeah. But employee, what I've learned in the last kind of six to 12 months is I fill my cup up. So like,

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I got goose bumps I got sorry. Yeah,

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I just think as well, like, you know, I don't get me wrong. Sometimes all I need is to sit and have a wine someone like you have three, or, you know, one of my other close friends. But I think I've learned that it's okay. To recognise that. Sometimes you need to just step away and sit in bed or do an activity. I'm really into crochet at the moment. And by that I mean, I'm trying to teach myself. So yeah, we should do a club. But I think it's all like, I used to think that that was a bad trait, I suppose in terms of I used to see it as isolating myself from a world. But I think really, sometimes you just need your own space to read. And you're allowed to give yourself permission to

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Yes, Caitlyn, I love hearing that, because so many people don't do that. And that they then they're not comfortable with themselves. And it's almost like they do whatever they can to not be with themselves selves. And I think for you to, to get that at a young age. Like I'm just so happy because there's a lot of women, myself included, that it's taken a long time to feel comfortable with, with who I am. So that's lovely. I really love hearing that. You were improved version of

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just reading the lines you said? That's

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right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, those notes I sent you. So what's next? What's next for you?

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Well, I don't know, hey, I got asked this the other day, actually, I was doing a university assignment. And I just made up some line. I have no idea what the right. But I think for me, my position at the moment with work is I've just, I've just built a fairly new team. Yeah. So I'm excited to kind of settle in with them and see what makes them tick and to challenge them and to support them and whatnot. You know, I think for me, personally, I'm just going to I just feel like I'm on a bit of a wave at the moment. I'm just crazy. I think I'll just let you know, my sister and I just moved out of home, I'm still learning that you have to do your own washing. You know, the fairies don't do it for you learning to be a grown up. Yeah, exactly. But you know, kind of going into what I was saying before about what makes my cup full is very much learning about who I am, and what I want to do and who I want to be. And so I think that's my goal for this year is to just unpack that a little bit more.

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Yeah. Do you like who you are?

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Yes, I think there's definitely aspects of me that I would roll my eyes out. But I've, I've learned very recently that I'm not as bad as I make myself with my own eternal. And, you know, like, I'll skim over it. But you know, since my sister got sick, I've struggled with depression and anxiety and sleeping disorders, and, you know, all of that, that, and I used to be, it was something that I had those things because I wasn't coping well enough. And so really, I've just, you know, I just feel like I, I've just had enough time with me, that I've been able to recognise it and acknowledge it, I don't think, you know, some people say that they accept these things. But I think for me, that just implies that one day you wake up, and you're like, Yeah, I'm just gonna be, I'm gonna be fine. But I think for me a long time, I used to hide away from that kind of stuff. Not because I was ashamed, but I just didn't want to deal with it. But now I kind of, I see it as very good part of me, and I am trying to harness it in a way that's not so negatively impacting my life. So like, for example, I use, you know, my anxiety is quite relevant in my day to day, and I used to find that really debilitating threads of worrying what people thought of me, you know, what I looked like, when I went out in public and that still there, I try to think of it in a way in terms of being like, alright, well, if I, if I'm anxious over a piece of work, I'm gonna go through it again, and then make it better. And then the end product is something that I'm ultimately proud of, sort of speak or sometimes when I'm at home, and I find I get that anxious feeling, I'm like, I'm gonna vacuum a room and try to get that nervous energy out. So I think, really, I've just figured out how to do these little small things. So it's hard because it's like, I don't like that I'm anxious or that I get, you know, depression or anything like that. But also, it's kind of making up who I am. So I'm learning to love that part of her as

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well. Gosh, Kaitlyn, there's so many bits that we can unpack. And I think what you've just said there about all the aspects of you and not wanting to deny them, because they're part of who you are. And I think in my growing up, there was parts that I just denied. And I just thought that they were, I didn't like I didn't, I was very critical about just that whole hating on myself. And it's, you know, it's taken me a lot of years. And I think it's probably only in recent years that I can really say that I like who I am. And you know, I really love who I am. But there's no way, you know, I remember the 24 year old me that there was stuff going on for her that I wish I knew what I know now, and I love seeing and being around you because you're, you're getting to know you as well. And I think that's just a beautiful place to be. And regardless of you know, the age that we're at, that I think is just such a gift to be who we are to acknowledge who we are. And one of the things that I've really shifted in my life is changing the language. I used to even refer to you know, all the shit that went on in my life, and I don't now this stuff that happened in my life. And, you know, I really honour that, because that's made me who I am. And just by even shifting the narrative around the stories I tell myself has really helped me to embody who I am. And I mean, you and I both know that we're we're great. But you know what, this path? I don't get it right all the time. I don't think a lot of times that is lots and lots of times, but I'm not as harsh on myself as I had been in the past. So

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yeah, definitely. And I very much associate myself with that in terms of moving their mindset to honouring Yes, No Pass kind of thing. Yeah. And I'm just saying, you know, like, I very much fluctuate in terms of how I look at myself and I go through weeks where I can't stand how I'm dressing or the way my hair is and you know, and I do pick on these things. I'm trying to re almost retrain that part of my brain, but also acknowledge that I've been appointed by life where I could do it that others that others aren't. And so how do you still, you know, don't hold yourself on your progression, but still stay there for someone to support them as well as something I'm very passionate about as well. Yeah,

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that sounds Gosh, that just sounds lovely. I think we might need to revisit this at some stage, Kaitlyn, any last little pearls of wisdom for people who were especially young women who are on their journey of life, any parting bits of think,

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you know, only, only you know where you're at? Now, only you know, who you are, who you are not? Don't, you know, you're on your journey, so to speak, you're on a train heading in a direction, don't let others who are sitting on the sideline, stopped that progression. And whether that's them, you know, telling you you can't do it or telling you to do something else that you don't want to don't let other people who are, you know, a side character in your movie, stop you from getting towards your goals.

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Lubbock, Kaitlyn, that's one of my mottos in life is just to be comfortable and confident to be who you want to be, and live life the way that you want to live life. So thank you so much for our time together. Thank you for having me. Yeah, I've just really enjoyed that. And I think we could probably fill up at least another 100 episodes. So love to you. That's a wrap, and so many beautiful, lovely things there. So hugs and happiness gorgeous. Thank you for listening. Have you enjoyed the episode, you can spread the love by sharing it with a friend so she can have a little bit of what we had today. Don't forget to rate and review so we can get it into as many hearts and ears as possible. You can keep the conversation going on my happiness hive socials. And if you'd like some more high vibe happiness in your life, come and join me in our community of inspired and motivated women at the happiness lounge. This is my online membership club and your central hub for everything you will need to be truly happy and bounce out of bed every day living and loving your best and most beautiful live. To find out more pop over to the happiness hive website and click on the link working with Catherine. Until next time, Big hugs and happiness